Talk:Vonage
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Post your guesses on the innovation underlying Verizon's patent claims against Vonage below:
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[edit] Are these infringements universal to all VOIP carriers?
How about the cable companies - are they infringing too? If Verizon works top down, they wouild be next in the cross hairs.
They would be as well since there service works on the same principal as any other VoIP provider, just on a different frequency than the cable internet service.
[edit] Patent #2 claim #15
As far as I can see claim #15 in Patent #2 is so generic that it essentially covers the entire Domain Name resolution system. That claim should be thrown out by anyone with half-way decent knowledge of how the internet works. With this the first part of claim #20 in the same patent should be thrown out for the same reasons as #15. The second part of claim #20 is trivial but further research would be needed to prove that it should be throw out. If that can be done then Patent #2 is no longer a problem right now.
Patent #1, claim #27 would also be invalid on the same pretense.
[edit] Examples of prior art? Look at old mailing lists
Just a tip for anyone investigating this: Contact Jeff Pulver and see if he still has archived messages from the old VON mailing list started sometime back in 1995. A lot of ideas were floated around on that list, and it's even possible Verizon saw some of those and decided to patent them (I'm not accusing them of that, just saying it's entirely possible). Another place you may want to look, although it would probably be less likely to yield anything useful, is Pat Townsend's Telecom Digest mailing list. I'd say there's only about a 10% to 20% probability of finding anything useful there, but you never know. The Telecom Digest archives are at least online (at massis(dot)lcs(dot)mit(dot)edu), whereas a copy of the VON archives are not, as far as I know. But I did find a copy of the announcement of the start of the list:
http(Colon slash slash)scout(dot)wisc(dot)edu(slash)Projects(slash)PastProjects(slash)NH(slash)95-09(slash)95-09-18(slash)0051(dot)html
Sorry about having to deface the URL's but this software wouldn't let me include them as URL's unless I enter some code that's not visible to me on the page. I realize the need to keep out the spammers, but it's sort of hard to enter a code you can't see!
[edit] Patent #3
Patent #3 could cover the entire wireless phone system as well as wireless modems/broadband adapters. Due to how generic these 3 patents are, Verizon could be claiming a patent on the Internet. I wonder how well that would work?
